Monday, May 01, 2017

From the ADL's mouth

So far in 2017 Jews have been perpetrating "anti-Semitic incidents" in the US at more than 19,000% the rate that non-Jews have been doing so.

The AP, via Steve Sailer:
The increase continued into the first three months of this year, with reports of 541 incidents compared to 291 in the same period the year before, according to the ADL data released Monday. 
The preliminary 2017 numbers include a wave of more than 150 bomb threats that started in January against Jewish community centers and day schools. Authorities arrested an Israeli Jewish hacker who they said was behind the harassment. The ADL insists those threats should still be considered anti-Semitic since Jews were the target. During the same period, a former journalist in St. Louis was also charged with threatening Jewish organizations as part of a bizarre campaign to intimidate his former girlfriend. But authorities believe the Israeli man is primarily responsible.
Those are the numbers, I didn't write them.

25 comments:

Dan said...

The stupid ADL is shooting in the wrong direction. Republicans are mostly so philo-Semitic that it is embarrassing and awkward (and certainly it is an unrequited love!!)Meanwhile genuine anti-Semitism, backed up by intensive anti-Israel campaigning, is found on the left of course, with BDS and much else. In fact, attacking Israel is now a staple of the activist left at campuses across America.

Many on the right have started noticing that their oneitis-like love of Jews has been mostly unrequited, but is it their fault for noticing? Virtually nobody on the right campaigns against Israel, while enormous number of Jewish people campaign against America.

In short, there is a whole lot of projection going on.

Audacious Epigone said...

Dan,

A golden oldie, one that never got much traction but that made a strong impression on me that has remained ever since.

Issac said...

It's an oft-repeated idea that Jews will regret their long-standing preference for the left, but I see this as little more than "lady for thou own sake," pleading. The right has nothing to offer Jews. Israel, for all the problems facing it, can survive with her nuclear arsenal and relatively strong sense of identity. A paradigm shift to the right on the part of Western nations is much more of a threat to Jews than an unstable transition into post-white-majority rule. The civil bureaucracy and military are transparently more loyal to Jewish interests than that of white Americans, so in the worst case scenario they could be called on to stop a post-white democracy from moving in the wrong direction.

Dan said...

"The right has nothing to offer Jews."

What a joke! Israel itself is very right wing. Israel's military right wing character (including strong borders, strong military and intense ethnic and religious identity) is how Israel survives in a place where all their neighbors want them dead. When the Jews were radically left wing (often Communist) in Germany they were weak and defenseless against the Holocaust. How and why a prosperous population of millions put up so little resistance is debated to this day.

Israel's youth are more left wing. If left wing openness eventually wins out in Israel, their people will be wrecked, again. I am not rooting for that outcome. But with enough who think like you, Issac, that is their destiny I suppose.

Most religious Jews who care about Israel (that is the Haredi and the Orthodox) are right wing.

Issac said...

It behooves the Jews to support leftism abroad because supporting a reactionary right-wing trajectory is transparently dangerous to any visible minority, Jews included.

Dan said...

Issac - Jews are not a visible minority, being white Europeans. It is silly that this needs to be said. Secular Jews are indistinguishable from other whites. American conservatives as the primary threat to Jews is nothing but fevered imaginings of some, that ignores real threats. It is already unsafe to be wear Jewish garb in many parts of Europe and the reason of course has nothing to do with conservatives. I laugh when I think you may actually believe what you wrote. It seems like trolling.

Sid said...

"Israel's youth are more left wing. If left wing openness eventually wins out in Israel, their people will be wrecked, again. I am not rooting for that outcome. But with enough who think like you, Issac, that is their destiny I suppose."

I don't dislike Jews at all - I'm honestly very uneasy about the ((())) stuff - but I am frustrated by how stupid leftist Jews are. The fact they are calling for Europe to take in Syrian refugees just shows they're utter idiots.

Syrians have almost universally loathed Israel since Syria and Israel became independent states. Syria fought against Israel in three major conventional wars and almost defeated Israel in alliance with Egypt in 1973. They've been in a state of conflict in varying degrees when they're not at war with each other. Israel and Syria have no diplomatic, cultural, or economic relations. In fact, the Syrian government will bar you from entering their country if you have an Israeli stamp on your passport.

Syria even hosted David Duke in 2006 with great interest on the part of its population. You know, the most evil man alive after Trump!

None of what I've said is arcane. If you're Jewish and are even remotely interested in Israel, you know Syria has stayed constant in its antipathy to Israel. I'm sorry, but any Jew who wants to flood Europe with Syrians and other Muslims is, above all else, just plain stupid.

Issac said...

Dan - Jews were and are a visible minority in Europe and are such in America too. We're phenotypically distinct with a few exceptions that do not make the rule. You make a good point that Jews should not fear conservatives, but they do not. Conservatives are no threat. It's what follows a populist/nationalist bent being applied to the right that Jews rightly fear. When those elements take the right in any country, it's time for any minority to start eyeing the exits.

You make the point that Jews are presently unsafe in Europe, but you forget that there are safe places in Europe for Jews. The populist/nationalist right renders all of a nation unsafe for Jews. So logically the best choice of action is to deal with "unsafe," rather than face expulsion or worse. You think it's an oddity or absurd that Jews wouldn't gamble on populist/nationalists when it has only been seven decades since that political milieu caused continent-wide calamity for them? It isn't I who must be trolling. Try and Ideological Turing Test for the Jewish position from our perspective and see what you come up with.

Sid - Some Jews don't desire having Muslims overrun Europe, but as I said, Jews can't side with populist/nationalists which are taking up more room on the right. Therefor Jews are stuck between a rock (the new right) and a hard place (the new left) where the former offers nothing to Jews and the latter won't countenance Jews having a vocal opinion about immigration that isn't in step with their own political machine. The latter becomes the default because at least they won't morph into an exclusively nativist party.

Sid said...

I personally wish the populist right would drop the ((())) stuff. Go ahead and hit hard against Jewish leftists who want to destroy our countries and our culture, but hit them on their policies, not their being Jewish.

Building a white American and European identity movement while being antisemitic is like building such a movement while dismissing Italians as being non-white. It can be done, but don't expect optimal results. Most Italian-Americans have southern Italian ancestry, and hence have a different phenotype than I do and a distinctive culture. Even so, good luck to the alt-right were we to try to bar them from our movement because Italian organized crime is smuggling in refugees from Africa.

Jared Taylor is anything but a cuck, and he's worked hard to try to include Jews under the umbrella of white identity. But of course, a movement is larger than my own personal preferences.

Dan said...

Issac - You are the white male you so despise. Arrangements can be made for you to make use of a mirror since you don't seem to own one. It doesn't matter that you see yourself as a member of a victim group. Actually visible minorities see you as the oppressor. Look on the bright side. Jewish people have the easiest path to acceptance, being, you know, white. Step one: Don't proclaim at every opportunity that Americans are the enemy. That's it.

Issac said...

Sid - Populism inherently produces these artificial tribes, eg. whites, because that's the pattern of nationalism. It has less to do with the explicit antisemitism and more to do with the known source of artificial identity nativism and the obvious follow-up problems that produces for Jews who have their own strong identity and do not want to melt into a larger artificial identity. Jews don't want to be under the umbrella of white identity at all, the fact it's occasionally used by Jews is simply a relic of a time when nationalism was more of a nascent threat.

Dan - I don't despise anyone. I just wanted to speak here to the, honestly, misplaced appeals. I think they're coming from frustration, but don't really understand the Jewish position from our perspective. Minorities being upset with us is, as I explained, not the same order of magnitude problem as a majority writing us out of the book. Victim status isn't the core of it and America isn't an enemy. America is a place with a great many tribes. We, as a minority, aren't interested in empowering the populist right because they are perennially interested in making a nation, an artificial tribe, to which we don't belong.

Audacious Epigone said...

This is a revealing exchange. I appreciate all of it.

Issac asserts that Jews are Other and interested in staying that way. If that means screwing over the host population, it's too bad, but these things can't be helped. It becomes a self-fulfilling narrative--an anti-Jewish populist right emerges after being frustrated and betrayed by Jews for so long.

The perception on the part of the anti-Jewish populist right is sloppy in this context, but not incorrect--there is no speaking of "the Establishment" in the West without talking in large part about Jews. The most tragic part is that the problems the shrinking non-Jewish white majority and Jews face is the same--massive growth in the size and proportion of the non-white population.

It seems Jewish identity, especially if it drops the religious connotations (though most American Christians revere Judaism), could almost seamlessly meld into the wider white identity such as it is. Americans of European descent are an ethnic hodgepodge, far more mongrelized than Europeans still living in Europe.

I generally identify as English because on my dad's side we trace back to 17th century Virginia cavaliers, but my maternal grandmother was first generation German and my maternal grandfather first generation Irish. That's quite common among white Americans born in the last century.

Issac said...

AE - A mostly fair reading, but a few quibbles:

First, I think we're all Other within some context. That is, I don't know about the concept of white identity where there are dozens of ethnic groups, religions, and cultures. That strikes me as a watered down version of the one-world the right is correctly criticizing on the new left. Jews historically never integrated into those sorts of constructs.

Second, I don't think there are any means of interacting politically that doesn't screw someone over at times. Our various interests as tribes aren't equivalent. Sometimes there are not good choices for everyone. Jews, as a tribal minority, have little choice but to care for their own interests as a minority with a long history of not getting on in populist nationalist settings.

Feryl said...

C'mon guys. Sailer pointed out that an Asian-Jewish battle at UCLA was "whitewashed" by an NY times photo which carefully cropped the Asian out and left a white who wasn't the Jew in.

Meanwhile, a Jew who made mock-gang signs got in trouble for appropriating black culture. I believe the GSS says that Jews consider themselves closer to blacks than gentile whites. Funny, but usually it's prole whites who date blacks since Jews when they marry out, usually marry up. As you might imagine, when a "white" guy who's Jewish busts a PC rule, the MSM/intelligentsia almost always elides his Jewish ancestry/identity.

I saw a ESPN doc about Christian Laettner in which the people who made the most derisive comments toward Laettner were all, and I mean all, Jewish. You couldn't make it up. A white gentile athlete, named Christian no less, who acted like a cocky modern athlete is censured while thug black athletes who often have criminal records get slobbered all over by both Me Gen. sports fans and white sports writers who dream of fluffing black bucks.

"It seems Jewish identity, especially if it drops the religious connotations (though most American Christians revere Judaism), could almost seamlessly meld into the wider white identity such as it is. Americans of European descent are an ethnic hodgepodge, far more mongrelized than Europeans still living in Europe. "

To this day, particularly among people in the Northeast, it's common for whites to self-identify as Irish or Italian. What chance do we have that Semites will meld even to the level of Italians and Irish Catholics? There's a real tendency for people who have an "ethnic" parent/grandparent/great-grandparent to stubbornly hang onto that identity even if it's become more cultural than truly genetic.

As for the hodgepodge, I'd say the general pattern is for people to assort by region. Admittedly, some regions attract strivers, but just go to the outskirts to get an idea of who "naturally" lives in the area. I seem to recall that Catholics and Jews are less likely to come from rural areas than Protestants. This could be put down to these groups congregating on the developed coasts, but it also seems to me that blond-Americans essentially consider the heartland to be the "real" America that will never be wrested from their grasp. Places like upstate NY, Western PA, Appalachia, "Greater" (read: Anglo/Teutonic/Gaelic/Dutch/Nordic) Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan. It's fascinating how the degree of to which a group self-identifies as "ethnic" white correlates well with urban living. Jews are by far the most urban dwelling "white" group.

Blond-Americans were shoved out much of the northeastern territory they settled by ethnic whites. In the Midwest and certain parts of the Northeast, it was blacks who took over many urban areas. Huge groups of people who don't descend from the people who built America now are calling the shots in much of this country. The GOP is increasingly becoming the party of heartland historical America, while the Dems become more and more aggressive about the (jealousy motivated) hostility towards real America. They want South Africa to be replicated across the West. Indeed, white Afrikaners vie with white Southerners as the group most detested by modern Western discourse.

As much shit as white Protestants get for being cucks, the reality is that to the extent that we have problems, they've been dramatically worsened by the presence of others (especially Jews). Let's not forget that Jews were, by a lot, over-represented among virtually all left-wing movements to be seen in the West. The only slight exception being some strains of environmentalism (Jews find Gaia worship to be creepy crypto-Pagan stuff that gives them the hives). Really, Brits and Nords have always dominated nature worship.

Feryl said...

"I generally identify as English because on my dad's side we trace back to 17th century Virginia cavaliers, but my maternal grandmother was first generation German and my maternal grandfather first generation Irish. That's quite common among white Americans born in the last century"

So basically, you wouldn't (phenotypically) be out of place in the heartland. You could drive into the (still heavily white) countryside in the North or Central band of America between California and Bos-NorVirginia) and feel more less at ease emotionally and culturally. Now, admittedly, you wouldn't necessarily feel totally at ease. But on the other hand, think of how you'd feel if you were Jewish, Sicilian, Mestizo, black, whatever. For people like you and me who've never had the, ahem, experience of being an "ethnic" in America, we can't necessarily appreciate what it's like to live most or all of your life in a country in which you would stand out in vast geographical stretches featuring a fairly distinct Euro type drawn from NW Europe.

As for the "Mongrel" drum that get's beaten, Sailer has pointed out the vast majority of American whites outside of the Northeast (and increasingly, Cali) have substantial levels of ancestry from the British Isles, Germany, France, the Netherlands, and Scandinavia, with some Poles and Czechs thrown in. We just don't look like Russians, or Spaniards, or Greeks, or Kazakhstanians. Because we're not those ancestries.

I think that American individualism, the young age of our country, and quite frankly, our often crass/superficial/Jew dominated modern culture, explain why we don't feel more together. And also explain why even dune coons can come here and not feel as out of place as they do in Europe itself. Back in the old world, they've had many centuries to figure out what it means to be French, or whatever. To the extent that we've had a strong culture here. it's been chipped away at to an increasing degree by the ret-conning designed to make Jews, Indians, blacks, and such feel better about their contributions.

Holocaust guilt culture, attacking freedom of association, pushing integration where it wasn't wanted by most, etc. have really done a number on our sense of identity and solidarity. We've got to get our guests under control We (once?) own(ed) this place. Nobody's entitled to come in here and do as they please.

Russia got crapped on, first by commies and then by neo-liberal crooks. But since Russia still wants to be Russia, even after decades of attempted brainwashing by utopian fools and carpetbaggers, they've begun work on protecting ethnic Russian interests thereby eliciting outrage among Western elites who want to give the full South Africa to every country with a majority white population.

Feryl said...

Italy is never going full refugee retard (their clannish nature won't allow it), Hungary and Poland are pushing back, and Russia remains a major foe to the globalists since it's a country that can feed and fuel itself, with a population that will never be interested in adopting the full slate of Western norms (which include a greater willingness to mix with other ethnic groups). And vast swathes of the countryside in the global north are always going to be white. Hell, Spain once expelled dune coons, and Brits once expelled Jews. We aren't going to die out. They can have L.A. and Miami; doesn't mean they're going to have everything.

I've even heard some Swede pols and Theresa May say some sensible things about globalization/immigrants. I think that being in culture like the US, where rootless cosmopolitans are always shouting at us to be more liberal and people feel so atomized at this point, makes us forget that not everything is as bad as the depressives can make it out to be. Look at Colbert's meltdown; the cucks, strivers, and blonde-haters really are worried that we're finally onto them. They've lost their credibility. The duo of buffoon Trump and dastardly Putin are two sides of a dagger that's getting thrust into their gut, withdrawn, then thrust even deeper. Repeat again, and again.....

Dan said...

Issac wrote,
" We, as a minority, aren't interested in empowering the populist right because they are perennially interested in making a nation, an artificial tribe, to which we don't belong."

Not belong? Are you trolling? Do you live under a rock?

Trump's own family is very Jewish, including at least three of his grandchildren, his cabinet is very Jewish, and his agenda is pro-Israel. This is the populist threat to the Jewish people? Yes, it is certain that you are trolling -- well done! Steve Mnuchin, Gary Cohn (former CEO of Goldman Sachs no less), Steven Miller, Jared Kushner, Ivanka... Most of Trump's inner circle is Jewish. The Supreme Court is 1/3 Jewish. This for a group that is 2% of the population.

The idea that Jewish people in America are in any way an oppressed minority is pretty much the opposite of reality. There is not a single objective metric available that supports what you are saying.

Audacious Epigone said...

Feryl,

I don't dispute that the American Nations are real from initial English settlement of what became the US through to today, but it seems to me that they exist on a sub-conscious level for most Americans of European descent. We know, for example, that the percentage of white Americans claiming English descent has decline far more rapidly in self-reports that it could have possibly declined in actuality. Conversely, a lot of people who say they're Irish aren't actually.

Dan,

At the very least, it must first account for this. Being a market dominant minority doesn't necessarily bode poorly for the group. If there is an MDM and a place it can work, it's Jews in the US.

Che Dolf said...

Audacious Epigone said... Issac asserts that Jews are Other and interested in staying that way. If that means screwing over the host population, it's too bad, but these things can't be helped. It becomes a self-fulfilling narrative--an anti-Jewish populist right emerges after being frustrated and betrayed by Jews for so long.

Issac said... I don't think there are any means of interacting politically that doesn't screw someone over at times. Our various interests as tribes aren't equivalent. Sometimes there are not good choices for everyone. Jews, as a tribal minority, have little choice but to care for their own interests as a minority with a long history of not getting on in populist nationalist settings.

Isaac, perhaps I misunderstand you, but I'm not sure you understand AE's point. By successfully undermining American conservatism, which you agree was no threat to Jews, they helped to breed the nationalist successor movement you do regard as a threat. The wiser self-interested move may have been to support the gentiles while they were still friendly (or at least benignly indifferent).

Che Dolf said...

Audacious Epigone said... The most tragic part is that the problems the shrinking non-Jewish white majority and Jews face is the same--massive growth in the size and proportion of the non-white population.

You think this is a bug, while they think it's a feature. It's impossible to discuss common "problems" when you begin with conflicting goals.

Audacious Epigone said... It seems Jewish identity, especially if it drops the religious connotations (though most American Christians revere Judaism), could almost seamlessly meld into the wider white identity such as it is.

Secular Jews tend to be the more fiercely anti-Christian/white members of the tribe.

Audacious Epigone said...

By successfully undermining American conservatism, which you agree was no threat to Jews, they helped to breed the nationalist successor movement you do regard as a threat. The wiser self-interested move may have been to support the gentiles while they were still friendly (or at least benignly indifferent).

Right. If Jews won't make peace with the tolerant civic nationalism of American conservatives, they can't make peace with nationalism anywhere, ever, and I guess nationalists should be aware of that and act accordingly. It's too bad if that's the case, because it seems like it should be avoidable.

Feryl said...

"I don't dispute that the American Nations are real from initial English settlement of what became the US through to today, but it seems to me that they exist on a sub-conscious level for most Americans of European descent. We know, for example, that the percentage of white Americans claiming English descent has decline far more rapidly in self-reports that it could have possibly declined in actuality. Conversely, a lot of people who say they're Irish aren't actually."

Sorry about the belated response. What you speak of is a disturbing reminder of the success "they" have had undermining white American identity. The pillars of our civilizations are misrepresented and suppressed. The culture/philosophy from which America (and really, the modern West) arose would not be possible without the bloody English or the cheese eating surrender monkeys. Or the Nazis, I mean Germans, not that 70 years of anti-German sentiment cares to make the distinction.

PC culture is most free to mock the very groups who built the modern West. Nobody bothers to stick up for these groups, after all, they themselves are often self-critical. And the heavily Jewish cultural elite rewards gentile self-abasement handsomely. I don't think we're ever going to really take things back until we demographically can make the elites more resemble us. Like I've said before, we're hard enough on ourselves without aliens pouring more gas on our self-immolation. But didn't Kevin Williamson say that "we"deserve to die, anyway? Our depressive traits are already bad enough without (((certain))) people making hay off of anti-Protestant gentile poison.

silly girl said...

Russians look like ordinary white folks.

Issac said...

Che Dolf - I'd say the brief and colorful history of neoconservative influence tells one all they need to know about how fruitless it is to keep the right away from populism and the concept of national tribe. You could plausibly argue without a neocon coup the right would be far more welcoming to one and all, but realistically the pre-Buckley right was very nativist. Did we close that door on ourselves or did we simply try to prop a door open that was closed to begin with, only to see it shut again later? The left has gentiles too. Jews simply chose the political team of gentiles most aligned to their interests.

Che Dolf said...

You could plausibly argue without a neocon coup the right would be far more welcoming to one and all, but realistically the pre-Buckley right was very nativist.

If you perpetually insist that your host nations adopt deracinated cosmopolitanism while you remain ethnocentric, then you will perpetually get expelled. "We can never trust the gentiles" becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

The nativism of the pre-Buckley right was relatively healthy. Its abandonment gave us Hart-Celler, which in turn gestated the tribalism that now legitimately concerns you. If you try to manipulate a nation into abolishing itself, how do you expect it to respond?

Jews simply chose the political team of gentiles most aligned to their interests.

Note that they've begun to switch teams as the results of your alliance become apparent.